Jack McCall was born to be a priest because his father wanted it so badly. Alan Clement was born a Catholic because his mother was one. In On the Way Out, two elderly men from two starkly different walks of life share a year's worth of humorous, insightful conversations as they discuss things that matter and reflect on life. Jack McCall was a Jesuit priest for thirty years and then a married man for thirty more. His friend Alan Clement lived through loss of a business; the joys of marriage, family, relationships; and the discovery of self-worth. As they share transcripts from their conversations in a retirement home that detail their experiences from a combined more than one hundred and sixty years of life, it is evident that neither had a smooth journey as each faced his share of disappointments, losses, and struggles. Yet as their lively conversations reveal, both eventually discovered resilience and the will to live a rewarding life, despite facing seemingly insurmountable obstacles. On the Way Out is an inspirational compilation of insightful exchanges of wisdom and humor from two men from different sides of the tracks who, through their diverse experiences, ultimately learned to embrace happiness, faith, and love.
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John Jack McCall was a Jesuit priest who spent thirty years studying and teaching other young Jesuits. He earned doctorates in theology and clinical psychology, which he put to use when he became the chief psychologist for North Carolina prison system. He died in 2010. Alan Clement has been a corporate spokesman and speakers coach for many years. His clients have included GE, VW, GSK, Roche and others. He is the author of You Can Be Great on Your Feet. Alan resides in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Fateful Year 1968......................................1Being There............................................12Susan..................................................18Does God answer your prayers?..........................22Fading In and Out......................................26Sexual Abuse in the Church.............................30Transitions............................................36From Priest to Prison..................................42Twenty years of turmoil................................45Nietzsche's nihilism...................................49Gotta be a better way..................................52Hell bent..............................................57How's your sex life?...................................61The Unemployed Christmas...............................66Religious Right, or wrong?.............................69Making out with Girls..................................72Connecting with God....................................77Relationships..........................................80Prayer101..............................................85Power of Prayer........................................88Q&A on Faith...........................................91Competing in the Universe..............................95What happened to the Economy?..........................99Putting problems in perspective........................104The Good Listener......................................109More Slammer stories...................................116Back in the Slammer....................................120Picture yourself in prison.............................125Basic instincts........................................129The Past is Dead.......................................133Not enough stimulus....................................138A lesson in learning...................................144Communicating 101......................................148The Message is not the Medium..........................153Real world.............................................156Laughing at our Limps and Lumps........................160Manufacturing Stress...................................165The Malaise of the Unemployed..........................170Cancer is Big Business.................................176Peace will have to wait................................180Peace in our day?......................................183What for the Metaphor?.................................186Propheteering and God's Word...........................190The Rise of the Unemployed.............................193Do you want God to find you a job?.....................197A personal relationship with God.......................201The Throne.............................................208Death and Dying........................................212What's your purpose in life?...........................216Where is God in all this?..............................220We need a Leader.......................................224Good Old Days..........................................229Making a Living........................................233Stunt Man..............................................240The Audience writes the script.........................246Six years in the Slammer...............................249Pain and pleasure......................................253The Man-Woman Relationship.............................256Going Soloveitchik.....................................259More Sexual Abuse......................................263Counseling counts......................................267Paideia pronounced Piedayuh............................272Disciplined Disciples?.................................275Who said that?.........................................278Affection deficit disorder.............................281Fat Abstinence.........................................286Editor's note..........................................291
J: I was thinking how the turning points in each of our lives occurred during the same years.
A: Yes. The years following Vatican II.
J: I left the Jesuits, which was a heart-wrenching experience for me.
A: And I lost my business, family, and ultimately, my self- worth.
J: It was in 1968 that I began to realize that things were changing in my heart and my head. Up until then, I was still rigid in my thinking.
A: That was the same year I lost it all, in a program for the church. My little company had a contract to launch the New Catholic Encyclopedia to the laity, across the country. Sixteen-volume work, nothing like it since 1906. Our advance program was keyed to Christmas delivery, 1968.
J: Really? That was the most difficult Christmas of my life. I had met my close friend, another priest I had studied with early on, and we walked the beach. We were down at Hatteras. It was cold, but we bundled up and walked for miles, talking about our doubts, our questions, honest and open, but heart-breaking at the same time.
A: I can imagine.
J: We were questioning everything, but it was good. It didn't shake our faith. I say that, but we both became a lot more open in our approach to religion as such. I'd always taught by opening up the floor to questions, and I was always confident that I could lead them back to the answers.
A: Is that when you left the order?
J: No, not right away. Pope John 23rd, who opened the door to let some fresh air in, he died in 1963, you remember, and then John Paul, who followed, was busy closing the door on any new idea or thought that would challenge the old way of doing things.
A: He put a real crimp in our program, as well. But that's another story.
J: I want to hear it.
A: Yours first. Mine goes on forever.
J: Mine, too. Most of us carried on, but the light had gone out. We had rejoiced with Vatican Two, it had given us new hope, that we would be relevant, open and honest in keeping with the problems and challenges of the times. Television alone had accelerated the attitudes, the upheaval in the thinking of our young people, hippies and free love, the war in Korea, which no one understood, the rush to go out and buy products advertised on TV. It was a time of change, and there we were, going backwards.
A: I remember. That was the sorriest Christmas I ever had, as well. We had positioned the encyclopedia as a secular work, even had Bishops from the other denominations invited to the dinner events we arranged in each major diocese throughout the country. All keyed to Christmas delivery. Each worthy family received a four-color brochure on Thanksgiving describing the 16 volumes they would be receiving as a Christmas present one month later, from a thoughtful donor. You know, a wealthy lay leader.
J: So what happened?
A: The publisher, McGraw-Hill, informed us the day after Thanksgiving that they would not be able to make delivery, that they were behind schedule. All the time they had been sending galleys indicating that they were right on schedule.
J: What did you do?
A: Well, first we had to call the lay leaders and ask if they wanted us to inform the families or if they wanted to do it, either way a big embarrassment to the very people we were depending on to advance the program.
J: Sounds like you had a case against the publisher.
A: Interesting you should ask. My neighbor and close friend was the top attorney in the legal firm whose major client was the Marine Bank, the bank that provided the loan to me, almost two hundred thousand dollars. He took it on, but...
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